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A11Eur0 · Apr 20, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

WTB sin hero UW solo farmer. These lengthy skill chains and AI improvement ideas would make this possible. Maybe. But it would require years of coding and trial/error.

Red Sand · Apr 20, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

/notsigned

Don't make the AI smarter, Heroes already make us antisocial enough.

You can make the Hero Assassin, (Monk, or Dervish for that matter) smart enough by limiting their choices. You can make them better by knowing when to intervene. Micromanagement has its uses, but only dealing with automatons.

Our real problem is finding a PUG (insert profession here) that plays smarter than the AI.

Good luck with that.

BlackSephir · Apr 20, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Lol @ the guy above "don't make the game bettar"

Bront · Apr 21, 2008, 01:44 AM // 01:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sand

/notsigned

Don't make the AI smarter, Heroes already make us antisocial enough.

You can make the Hero Assassin, (Monk, or Dervish for that matter) smart enough by limiting their choices. You can make them better by knowing when to intervene. Micromanagement has its uses, but only dealing with automatons.

Our real problem is finding a PUG (insert profession here) that plays smarter than the AI.

Good luck with that.

Any improvement in the AI would likely show up in your opponents as well.

But think of it this way. Compitent AI means you can at least use ok build on your heroes and expect them to function. You can with Eles, Monks, Rits, Rangers, Paragons, Necros, and Mesmers, as well as the out of place builds of Dervishes, Warriors, and Sins (non-standard (weapon using) builds). None function as well as players with similar builds (with the exception of interupt mesmers or MM necros, who actualy work potentialy better due to a faster AI). So I'm limited in my choice of Henchmen/heroes because my warrior, sin, and dervish heroes aren't particularly effective.

Dervish heroes at least get how to use some of their enchantment effects and manage those well, but even they suffer from the "Run to target" problems.

kazjun · Apr 21, 2008, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Yeah, the gambit system would rule. For all heroes, not just sin ones. But I can't really see them bringing that in this late in the game

IceUhk · Apr 21, 2008, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Well my thing is, i agree but like they should have a system where you " manually" perform the build for the character once or something, and " train" it to do that build in the manner.

Now things like interrupts and things for any class is I'm sure not easy.

And the best way to make AI. sins not suck so bad, is to make sins in PvE not so much, and.. im sorry to hardcore sins, but id rather hit my nuts with a rubber mallet than play as a sin in PvE.

legion_rat · Apr 21, 2008, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceUhk

Well my thing is, i agree but like they should have a system where you " manually" perform the build for the character once or something, and " train" it to do that build in the manner.

Now things like interrupts and things for any class is I'm sure not easy.

And the best way to make AI. sins not suck so bad, is to make sins in PvE not so much, and.. im sorry to hardcore sins, but id rather hit my nuts with a rubber mallet than play as a sin in PvE.

All I pretty much play is a sin, its not that hard, esp if you played diablo 2. But I can see where the combos are hard for an AI to follow since its so simple minded. Some of the stuff I have tried with derv,war didnt work either.
And sins can do quite well in PvE, as thats all I play in.

also feel free to hit yourself in the nuts with a rubber mallet. Just post it on youtube and link here so we can all laugh with you. :P

~the rat~

legion_rat · Apr 21, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceUhk

Well my thing is, i agree but like they should have a system where you " manually" perform the build for the character once or something, and " train" it to do that build in the manner.

Now things like interrupts and things for any class is I'm sure not easy.

And the best way to make AI. sins not suck so bad, is to make sins in PvE not so much, and.. im sorry to hardcore sins, but id rather hit my nuts with a rubber mallet than play as a sin in PvE.

All I pretty much play is a sin, its not that hard, esp if you played diablo 2. But I can see where the combos are hard for an AI to follow since its so simple minded. Some of the stuff I have tried with derv,war didnt work either.
And sins can do quite well in PvE, as thats all I play in.

also feel free to hit yourself in the nuts with a rubber mallet. Just post it on youtube and link here so we can all laugh with you. :P

~the rat~